March 2019
Dates For Your Diary
Monthly meetings are held on the second Monday of every month at Liddington Village Hall, opposite the church

April   8th
Speaker to be advised


Next date is 6 April 2019 at Three Trees Farm Shop, Chiseldon
BikeSafe Lyneham 
3 July 2019
Supporting Police with tutors at MOD Lyneham
Calne Bike Meet
27 July 2019
Bike Safe Devizes
28 April
Monthly Ride-Outs
Remember that monthly Bike Ride-Outs take place on the 3rd Saturday of every month. Check the Forum for details
Do you have a topic you would like discussed, or know of an interesting speaker?  Please contact Monica!

Congratulations to the following members who have passed their Advanced Tests recently:  
Les Brown - Advanced Tutor retest - Pass 
Adrian Windo Car Silver -  Tutor Dave Venman
David Wicks, Andy Peaple and James Corneloues  - all qualified as Bike Tutors

We are pleased to announce the folllwing new member of the Group
James Hobby  (Bike)
Helen Shaw (Car)
Martin McDonagh  (Bike)
Michael Wilson (Car)
Trisha Waugh (Bike
Don’t forget that we have a range of clothing available to purchase. We also offer a range of books, such as Roadcraft, Motorcycle Roadcraft and the Highway Code, and these are available at discounted prices.

For more information visit the Merchandise page of our web site at
We are always looking for more articles, ideas and news for the newsletter. Have you been somewhere interesting recently that would make a good story? If you attend any group events then take a camera and send us your pictures!

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Group Promotion
Please do your best to help us promote the Group.  We have flyers and business cards available which can be obtained at the monthly meetings; business cards should be available from any comittee member and tutor.

We will also place the flyers on the website in the downloads section; if you spot an opportunity these can be printed and displayed. 

Remember our Skillshare starts on 6 April - details in the section below
Fed up with how the Group is run? want to change something and make a difference for us all? - come and join the committee.  We have lost a few members this year and all the work is being done by a gallant few who need fresh ideas and support.  The Chairman is grateful to all who give up their time to help us run the Group (there are other officers who are not on the Committee).
We particuarly need a Secretary  the commitment is not huge  - a few hours per month is all that is needed; mostly supporting meetings, taking minutes and acting as one of the points of  contact for the Group.
Any questions please ask the  Secretary or  Chairman.
Potential Skid Pan event - Castle Coombe
We are planning a skid pan event at Caslte Coombe for 12 members. The sessions from 0930 and 1330. The group will be split into two  of 6. One half in the classroom, and the other half in the cars. Three people will each rotate through a front wheel drive car, and then a rear wheel drive car, then swap with the classroom group.
We are thinking of a Saturday Morning in May or June if there is enough interest.  The cost is about £60 per head as the group will subsidise this event .  If you are interested please let the Membership Seretary know.  We will limit this to members initially but if we need to make up the numbers then we may expand to partners.  Once we have judged the interest we will make the arrangements and it will be on a first to pay gets a place regime.

Regional Coordinator - Opportunity
Richard Howes has decided ot stand down as our Regional Coordinator due to other commitments.  We have had the following from RoADAR HQ.
Due to other time commitments outside of RoADAR, Regional Coordinator, Richard Howes has decided to stand down, we shall miss Richard and his knowledge and passion for Motorcycles and his great enthusiasm for sharing advice and best practise, I am sure we shall all still see Richard especially in the great job Richard does of engaging with all on the RoSPA Advanced Drivers and Riders Facebook site. Richard will still be available for contact via the normal means over the next month.
This has led to the opportunity for a regional coordinator to cover the below group network, a total of 9 groups.

South Wales Drivers & Riders

Shropshire & Powys Riders

Coventry Riders

Gloucestershire Drivers & Riders

West Midlands Riders

Staffordshire Riders

Nene Valley Riders

Wiltshire Drivers and Riders

Hampshire Drivers and Riders

Details in the Forum provide further information on the role, including requirements and fees. I would like to emphasise at his time that the location of the individual applying does not need to co-inside with the area that the role shall cover.
Should you or any other member of the group wish to register their interest in the role of Regional Co-ordinator, please do so by emailing me at Outlining your current experience and why you feel you would be the right person for the role.
The closing date for application is Tuesday 9th April. After this time we shall invite those who have been successful in registering their interest to meet face to face for an informal interview
Skillshare  - Please promote
Skillshare will take place in 2 locations again this year.   6 April, 1 June, 3 August and 5 October at the 3 trees Farm Shop in Chiseldon and 4 May, 6 July and 7 September at the Haven Cafe near Salisbury. 
All Members please do your best to advertise this; we did not get the message out well last year and turn out was poor. A concerted effort from us all to promote the group and this FREE skills session will help to boost our profile, so ask your family, friends and work colleagues to come and have a go.  Details and the ability to book are on the website.
Grateful if all tutors look to see if they can come and help  - without you it simply will not work
Speaker - Dave Douch - IAM Roadsmart, former Wiltshire RoADAR member

Dave opened his entertaining talk telling us about his past life, ex-REME and for the latter part of his career, Renault Security (vehicles). He's done lots of stuff and the hardest thing he has ever driven was a  tracked vehicle downhill on ice.
Dave focused on Car security, various technological driver aids, and in particular Renault with Thatcham rated security devices; Dave spent the last three years of his career based at Renault in France before retiring in 2003.
Key-less entry

Lots of problems with this as has been noted in the press recently. All manufacturers have the same issue as they all work on the same frequency as UK police radio - 468MHz; by sheer coincidence, this is the same frequency as home doorbells - ding-dong!
Keyless systems should work 1m from car door and require a foot on the clutch before starting the car engine. This is a safety feature to prevent young children getting into the car and starting the engine - hopefully they cannot reach the clutch!
How should the key fob be stored at home to prevent theft by clever thieves? Place it in a metal tin to create a shield around it - known as a Faraday cage. Bit of a pain for the most of us - my keys are stored in a wooden drawer!
One point to note was when buying a second hand car, make sure there are two sets of key fobs. Otherwise, walk away!  Your car will be stolen.  If stolen with the key then your car will not be insured - the insurance company will ask to see both sets of keys before paying out.
If a car is stolen by clever thieves using a laptop and scanning for your keyless fob whilst standing on your doorstep late at night and the car is started by using the signal from the key in the house, then the car will keep going until it stops. Once stopped, it cannot be started without the key fob or code. Remote key fobs have a rolling code with several billion combinations so unlikely the thieves will get it started again, but then the car could be used for spare parts. It takes three thieves to steal your car - one to stand at the door scanning, one to hold the laptop and one to break into the car. (Wish our three main political parties would work in a team like this to get us through Brexit - PG comment).

With key-less systems there is generally a push button start so how to stop the car if for example the driver has a heart attack?
On Renault and Jaguar the Stop/Start button has to be pressed three times. This cuts power to the engine and power steering but allows you to coast safely to a  stop. On a Renault, the lights stay on so creating some safety to other road users. With  Jaguar the lights go out. 
The distance at which the key fob works is up for discussion but the figures below can be used as a starter:
  • 1m Proximity to start the car
  • 50m to open the doors
These are two different things. You do need to be within a 1m of the Stop/Start button to start the car though or was that obvious?
Electronic Handbrake - how do you know its on? No idea! There is generally a light on the dashboard to say it is on. Dave reckons this is safer than a traditional manual handbrake as when activated the Engine Management Unit comes on and activates the ABS system. Technology can be useful when you know how to make it work.
Alarms - after market alarms do not go necessarily have to go through Thatcham testing, whereas OEM alarms do. Dave's advice is to never buy an after market alarm unless it has  been Thatcham approved.
Note that Thatcham is owned by the insurance companies.
Steering wheel locks - Check its Thatcham approved; do not buy the type that goes between the steering wheel and foot pedals - unless Thatcham approved. Prefer to go for one that is a disk and covers the whole wheel - DiskLock - cost of around £120. 
Laptop security - When leaving work, place laptop in boot of car. Not when stopped on M4 services - you are being watched and the thief will now know where your laptop is!
Airbags - These only go off with inertia generated by a collision at around 22mph. If a car spins and crashes, the inertia is absorbed so airbags won't necessarily go off. There was a case where Renault were sued because of this, but it is impossible to reproduce similar instance to prove liability. Cars also have three crumple zones to also help absorb inertia.
Worth noting that at 30mph and unrestrained item in the back of the car, ie on parcel shelf, will go through the windscreen.
Airbags have a 10year lifetime, but how many vehicles are over 10 years old on the road? And who replaces them? The cost to replace is in the order of £5k!
Do car manufacturers talk?  No, but there is a working group where they talk through Thatcham security. The group members may talk to each other, but this is unofficial. 
Is technology too much? Do not want a car driven by gizmos but could get worse with electric cars!
Thanks Dave
Peter Genet
Committee minutes   
These are available from the Group Secretary if any member wishes to see them. If you are interested in reading the minutes, then please send a mail to the Group Secretary whom will promptly forward them onto you.

Please could all Members use the Forum on the Website which can be used for any purpose but particularly coordinating events, hints, tips and general conversation.  It is easy to register on the website so please do log on and chat away.
Test results 
Reminder to let the Membership Secretary and your tutor know when you have taken your Advanced Driving/Riding Test and result. This is so our database is kept up to date; there is no need or pressure at all to have the result published on the website or in this newsletter if you wish to keep your result confidential.  
Bike Trip - Millau Bridge Southern France - end of April
Members Stuart Gore and Winston Castle are popping over to the Millau bridge at the end of April. This is a long ride with plenty of saddle hours! We are looking forward to the photographs and further update on their return.
This is of course before the main group ride to Yorkshire taking place later in May.
Safe riding Stuart and Winston!
Geeks Corner - How Many Are we?
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